Want to know why speed matter for Coyotes and Varmints? A barrels life expectancy can vary vastly from one caliber to the next. Fill out the form below and we will be in contact with you to get your custom build started. Required fields are marked *. With all the more appropriate cartridges out there, why anyone would use a barely capable 22 caliber class round on medium sized game is beyond me. The consensus on the optimal barrel length for 6.5 Creedmoor is 24" and 26", if the objective is long range Precision Rifle Shooting (PRS). Ammo, I have been shooting 22 Creedmoor since 2014 and have pressed it into service as my primary coyote hunting cartridge. Barrels . Well, it seems opinions are mixed, and you know what they say about opinions. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to amazon.com and affiliated sites. I took many deer with that rifle with an 87gr. Compare it to Factory ammo available to everyone for the last 50-75 years to see if its even worth the bother to wildcat it. Sep 30, 2004. Yes deer are half the size of a man and do not have body armor but even the mostly ignorant DOD civilians are letting the military look at larger calibers than .22 because of lack of long range effectiveness. 6CM starts out at a neck diameter of approximately .271" and a loaded 22 creedmoor with hornady brass will end up at about .254-.255". 22 Creedmoor Load Data Since its' inception, in 2007 by Hornady, the 6.5 Creedmoor has seen some pretty meteoric growth in popularity. This rifle is an absolute nightmare on Coyotes, Feral Hogs, Prairie Dogs, and Whitetail Deer. We frequently get questions about the application of this cartridge and what it's primarily used for. I never thought I needed another 6mm or 6.5mm cartridge. First off, what is a 22? I dont really care for comparisons based on different caliber rounds. We used a Tikka T3 Stainless Action from a rifle originally chambered in 308 Win, fitted a .224 Krieger barrel on it with the chamber cut for a 22 Creedmoor, and now we have a superb Tikka 22 Creedmoor. This is known as a barrel log. When starting with 6mm Creedmoor brass, you will need to neck it down to produce 22 Creedmoor. This item can be shipped to United States. Now we have Alpha Munitions producing factory 22 Creedmoor brass, and the stage is set for a complete takeover of the big 22cal scene. I have plenty like that..including my original model 73 Winchester in .38-40! What is the MSP. This varies depending on your rifle, barrel, load, velocity and bullet. The most widely used barrel life calculator on the web today is known as Mikes Spreadsheet, which uses five variables to provide a good accurate barrel life estimation. It sounds to me like your pissing on the .308, something MANY snipers would disagree with as well. A longer barrel may also contribute to bullet jacket failures in high-velocity loads with heavy-for-caliber bullets (85gr+). UPS has officially stopped shipping guns? That growth continues as of this writing, as the cartridge has now gone mainstream with hunters and shooters alike. The original 6XC chambering was designed based off the usage of 22-250 brass which typically has a web diameter in the range of .461-.463. The 22 Creedmoor can comfortably take down most CXP3 size animals with well placed shots in the head or heart, if the bullets are expanding type bullets in 75 grain or larger size, however, for general recommendations, we would keep to CXP2 animals up to the 300 pound class, and you will be withing safe limits. Part of the beauty of the 22 CM is that it shoots standard .224 caliber bullets that are available almost everywhere for the hand loaders and cost less than larger caliber bullets. Our 22 Creedmoor is loaded to fit in rifles running the standard .081 freebore or longer. So what is accurate barrel life, and how do we determine a barrels life expectancy? If you've neck turned, it will be closer to .252". For brass you might look into Alpha Brass. The process for making that brass was easy enough, but still, somewhat time-consuming. For the third purpose, hunting deer sized game the 22 CM will certainly shoot far enough flat enough to get accurate hits. Regardless of who the actual pioneer was, the caliber was created, and with it, possibly the all-time best 22 caliber rifle cartridge ever. Mine is throated long, twisted fast and loaded hot but I'm able to sling 95gr SMKs at 3200fps from a 22 inch tube with H4350. Texas Ammo Inc BallisTX 22 Creedmoor 80gr ELD-M 20rd Bx/ 25 Cs . . Edit May 2022: After researching for the origins of the 6mm Creedmoor, I stumbled upon an even earlier post, where member skeetlee started a thread first suggesting necking down a 6.5 Creedmoor to a 6mm, an then later joked about also just doing it in a .22cal version. I have also been shooting a .260 Rem out of a M700 for almost as long. I've been waiting for it to be in stock, I have some of their 6 Creedmoor brass and it's good stuff. Note, I shoot without stopping so much so that bullets will discolor sitting in the chamber. As soon as any new cartridge hits the mainstream market, hand loaders start tinkering with it making wildcat variations. Poor cleaning practices can reduce the life of a barrel by damaging rifling. The point of this wildcat is to use heavy for caliber bullets, which most if not all of the old 22s cannot do. It was released in 2007 by Hornady and Creedmoor Sports. No matter the reason why they are developed, but whether or not new cartridges stay and become accepted in the shooting community, depends on the shooters, and if they are requested from rifle builders and manufacturers, and used in competitions or in the field. Gotta love the experts who denounce new cartridges as useless just because they own something similar. The good news is thatHornady, Peterson, Gunwerks, Atlas Development Group (ADG) and Alpha Munitions are all selling factory brass now, so no more necking down the 6 CM for me. Please be sure of your Savages' shank size before placing . Everyone has a different take on what they consider acceptable accuracy which will increase or decrease the numbers. Alpha munitions should have some 22 Creedmoor brass available in February. Jeff is intimately familiar with the shooting industry competitor, instructor, RO, range master, match director. Rotate between two or three rifles, thus spreading out the number of rounds fired through each barrel. I know guys that run anything from 22-26" barrels, 1-6.5 to 1-7 is what you'll need for the heaviest bullets. The Hornady 250 grn FTX worked well on a large Black Wildebeest at 296 yards, the first shot took it down, the second ensured it never got back to its feet. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Id tell them that my Dad was a Senator on a military senate sub-committeetheyd believe me. Related Tags: Estimated at roughly 1% the cost of a modern rifle setup The Ultimate Guide To Rifle Marksmanship will be one of the best purchases you could ever make as a rifle owner! Home What is my Rifles [Accurate] Barrel Life Expectancy? Reduced recoil compared to 6.5 Creedmoor. The barrel may still produce many years of happy shooting. PRS, Expect to spend $0.95 per round and up [ED: mid 2020 prices now start at about $140 a round]. There arent really any large scale manufacturers making a 22 Creedmoor Factory Rifle, however, there are somewhat off the shelf 22 Creedmoor rifles available from companies like McWorther custom rifles and GA Precision to name but a few. On unknown distance targets, that flatter trajectory would result in more hits. A MAGPUL magazine well kit was added. But ballistics seem to show that the old 6mm Rem and .260 Rem more than hold their own against the new Creedmore offerings. As your barrel starts to reach the end of its accurate lifespan, you may notice that bullet seating depth gradually increases, while group sizes enlarge and precision degrades. Even "shot-out" barrels in an infamous barrel burner like the 220 Swift are usually in excellent condition at the cooler muzzle end. For mine, the perfect load for the 75gr mentioned in the post, was at 40.6gr Vihtavuori N550. Like most things Creedmoor the performance of the CM is exaggerated by pitting the highest BC bullets against standard 308 bullets and even getting that data completely wrong. 0.077 1300 100). Research shows that recommendations range from 800 ft-lbs to 1300 ft-lbs. The throat is the part of the barrel where the bullet exits the cartridge and begins the rifling process, or in simpler terms, where the rifling begins. For those wanting to know more about the .22 Creedmoor, check out this video we put together for you below! Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. ---Craddock Precision, Twist Options 1:7 and 1:12 (throated specific to twist), 3 Contours based on the most popular gas blocks:.750", .875", and .936", Threads: 1/2-28, 5/8x24, 3/4x24, or No Threads all with a 11 Target Crown, Polished or Bead Blasting included, Cerakote Available, Several Fluting Styles (Allow 1-2 more weeks for Fluting). One concern that might need to be considered with a cartridge such as the .22 Creedmoor is that barrel life probably won't be all that great. Everyone is in the .45 ACP vs the tiny 9mm for a couple of years..then they ALL switch to the side of the deeper hitting 9mm! Anyone else running 90 berger or 95 sierra? Went with the Nosler's because of availability and price. Most 22-250s will burn out the throat of the barrel in 1500 - 2000 rounds depending on how it's shot. These general guidelines apply more to the older traditional calibers when speeds were much lower, and with modern cartridge advances, the velocities achieved by modern smaller calibers make up for the energy lost in mass of the bullet, and the modern twist rates allows low drag bullets to carry those velocities and energy further down range. While on numerous TADS (Temp Assigned Duty) over a three and a half year period on San Clemente Island (next island out in the Pacific from Catalina Island off of Calif.)..we Airedales had fun experimenting with combat weapons of various types and calibers. The fact that several vendors are manufacturing 22 CM brass certainly makes handloading simpler. It seems like a futile venture to me personally. You need to know that it is a laser beam and varmint vaporizer! While barrel life many not be financially concerning for many shooters around the world, it is still good to understand roughly how long your barrel may last until precision starts to decline. Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience with us Mike. Using 1000 yards as a distance benchmark, the 6mm CM drops 8.1 mils, and the 6.5 CM with the Hornady 147 ELD-M drops 8.7 mils. gets about 15 of penetration which is plenty unless youre the one to try to reach the vitals via the butthole. Bolt Face & Action Database - LoadDevelopment.com, Why The 6.5 Creedmoor Is The Best Overall Cartridge, Cartridge Reloading Shell Holder Reference Chart. I got an update from Bob at Alpha Munitions (alphamunitions.com). The general "rule" about barrel life concerns bullet diameter versus the cartridge's shoulder diameter ratio. Not so likely. Skip to content. Barrel Length: 22" Overall Length: 42.75" Rate of Twist: 1:8" Length of Pull: 13.75" Drilled & Tapped: Yes Magazine Style: Hinged Floor Plate Magazine Capacity: 5 Barrel Material: Polished Blued Steel Checkering: 20 LPI Wood Type: Maple Walnut The following chart displays accurate barrel life data for a number of popular rifle cartridges. The oldest actual proof of the 22 Creedmoor caliber in a rifle, being an image uploaded on a McWhorter Custom Rifles blog post about the 22 Creedmoor caliber round and the speed achieved by one shot on 22 September 2012. Such as the 22-250 as mentioned before, (that I have loved for over 45 years now!) Back in the day, my first ever rifle was a Remington 700 in 6mm. But the stand was in the middle of a little woods. What is my Rifles [Accurate] Barrel Life Expectancy? Winchester Model 70 Super Grade AAAA Maple Walnut - 6.5 Creedmoor - 22" . All load data for reference only. Many who knew of my easy duty wondered how I did it. With all that being said I dont think the 22 CM will have any problems making clean kills on deer size game out to 400-450 yards with solid shot placement. I thought my barrel was toast with around 900 rounds but I shot this yesterday at 100. Casing Type:.22 Creedmoor LRP (Large Rifle Primer) Casing Trim Length: 1.910" Primer: Federal Large Rifle Magnum Match (GM215M) Rifle Firearm Used: Horizon Firearms .22 Creedmoor Barrel Length: 24" Rate-of-Twist: 1 in 8" Casing Manufacturer: Peterson Cartridge Co. Casing Type:.22 Creedmoor LRP (Large Rifle Primer) Casing Trim Length: 1.910" Thankfully though, there are many companies now including Hornady, Peterson, Alpha Munitions and a few more, making 22 Creedmoor brass cases. Just letting you know it was first created by Horizon Firearms out of Texas February of 2014. Required fields are marked *. 2,959. I then send those pieces of fired brass off to Whidden Gunworks to have a custom full length sizer and micrometer seater die set made. The oldest actual talk or mention of a 22 Creedmoor caliber or cartridge being a comment suggestion made by Chad Dixon from Long Rifles Inc. on another SnipersHide post on 19 September 2012, in response to another user wondering about shooting 90gr bullets from a 220 swift. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Satterlee Scott. This data may of course vary in reality (depending on a wide range of variables), but it will give you a good indication of which cartridges to stay away from if you plan on spending excessive amounts of time at the range, and are concerned over your barrels lifespan. This would make him the first documented person to suggest a 22 Creedmoor cartridge on record. I use Lapua in my 22-250 and making it into 6.5 Creed was a disaster. When I add to my collection very little leaves on the other side. At our 22 Creedmoor muzzle velocity of 3550fps the Hornady 75gr ELD-M bullets produces around 2099 ft.lbs of energy, taking it close to medium 6mm bullets or light 308 Winchester rounds. Clean kill yes indeed, but not a pretty sight. The Springfield Armory Waypoint 2020 rifle is an exceptionally accurate rifle. Ensure correct methods of cleaning and maintenance. Im running a 21 Shilen 1-8 twist and I have excellent accuracy with 80gr smk, 80 eld-m and 88gr eld-m bullets. Just received my 22 creedmoor reamer and have a 20" Proof Carbon Savage pre-fit in 223 that I'm going to have reamed out and picked up a Savage take off 22-250 barrel to ream and use for fire forming/prairie dogs. Everyone I know that uses one considers it to be a 50-150 yard gun, at best! . My 22 Creedmoor is doing 3511 fps with 80 gr Nosler CC bullets. starting my build and have decided on this caliber. In MY worthless opinion, if you have 5 or 6 REALLY accurate rifles for varmint hunting, and at least a couple for EACH larger animal you hunt..then the same for various target sports..then you really have all the calibers and guns that you will have any USE for. You can also neck 6mm Creedmoor down to 22cal easy enough. Thorley enjoyed reading your article on Barrel Life. Most states would not allow it as lacking sufficient energy. The .22-243AI, middlestead, and 22-6 were speed demons to be sure, but there were always crippled due to mag length restrictions or fire forming considerations. Semper Fi. Bipods and Rests . Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica! Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "acb08e427cc3f73ca30b62e0ee31d3f0" );document.getElementById("d5ccf01b57").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It's definitely a fun little barrel burner, but I think the brass is the biggest downfall for me. The performance of the 22 CM with 75 80 grain bullets makes it an outstanding varmint cartridge. The long slender bullets have good sectional density, so they will easily get the penetration needed to reach the vitals of thin-skinned medium game. I have some R26 and R23 that I want to try. The 22-250AI was always an option, but many folks weren't accepting of fire forming. #3123699 - 01/17/18 12:34 PM Re: 22 Creedmoor [Re: thoms715] CZ527 Die Hard Member III Registered: 12/25/14 Posts . Never Dock after all of this three and a half years of what was basically partying at the governments expense..so I left the Navy. It's a precision rifle caliber and whether it's hunting ammo, target ammo, or long range ammo, it's all match grade kind of stuff. Load development was stupid simple, thanks to an excellent smith in Shaen (shooter71) and a rock creek blank. A chronograph for example, mostly only a rare expensive piece of laboratory technology a few decades ago, is now part of almost every precision shooter and reloaders equipment, and a very affordable one at that. My main 26" barrel is pushing 80gr Berger's at 3525fps and is relentless inside 800yds. The Creedmoor in 22 Creedmoor denotes the fact that it comes from a 6.5mm Creedmoor which has been necked down to accept a .224 bullet, the Creedmoor in 6.5mm Creedmoor in turn comes from Creedmoor Sports, for whom the 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridge was developed by Hornady and Creedmoor Sports jointly. The primary culprit in a centerfire rifle that affects accuracy is an eroded throat, however the rest of the bore and/or rifling can wear too. Preferably with h1000? The seller is "hausofarms-tc4me" and is located in Elizabeth, Colorado. The 22 Creedmoor was built with long, heavy .224 bullets in mind. Note: the following data does not necessarily demonstrate the most accurate load (or node), but rather demonstrates how barrel wear can be reduced by altering the propellant load. For instance, 22 LR's can go much further than 5-10K, while 223 types can burn out in less than 1K. The area of the chamber just forward of the web on the original [], The 6mm BRX vs 6mm BR The 6mm BRX uses 6mm BR brass as the base brass. Note, I shoot it like I stole it. If you enjoyed this article please leave a comment below, and keep an eye out for future posts. I'm going to try out 22x47L once this barrel is toast. Especially when shooters experience the high speed and low drop these 22 Creedmoor rounds offer, and in a cartridge that can cycle in almost all standard short action magazines. Anyway, enough preaching. You are using an out of date browser. Is Cheap Thermal Worth It? The 22 CM drops below that 800 ft-lb threshold at between 600 to 775 yards depending on the bullet and velocity of Copper Creeks different offerings. 22 Creedmoor. Tried some new powders, I was very cautious on this lot and will be bumping the charge up after this batch. Varget, H4350, and H1000 are the most common powders used with the 22 Creedmoor. Features & Specifications Remington 700 Action, Cylindrically Ground (Converted to Side Bolt Release) Rail Screw Threads Opened Up to 8/40 (Action Re-Blued) Shilen Alternut Installed BDL, Accepts Standard AICS 3901 & 3902 Magazines 26" Shilen Match Barrel (4 Groove Rachet Rifling) Twist: 1:7.5 Chambered by Shilen in 22 Creedmoor From the loaders manual, the stated velocity was 3300 FPS. IN something like this with such a short barrel life.I am of the opinion that once I find a load that works, I stick with it. 22 Creedmoor is badass. 10 shots averaged 3510 at 45 degrees. To put it into context, a credit card is around 0.032" thick, so the amount of erosion we're talking about over the life of a barrel is barely more . $65.75. Why was it not compared to any of the mainstream big boomer .22 calibers, e.g. Accuracy was still good enough that I shot the only perfect score with it. We have found some 22 Creedmoor shooters pucking the bullet speeds in excess of 3400 fps to get around 1200 to 1400 shots out of their barrels, and some have been able to extend that with proper barrel care life letting the barrel cool between firing strings, and hBN coating their bullets. but 22% less than a .270 Winchester. Similarly, there are no big-name ammunition companies loading for the 22 CM, but there are several smaller companies offering ammunition so you dont have to reload at all. The choice will depend on the individual user and the quality of Alpha brass. Increased barrel life compared to 6mm Creedmoor. Easily adapted components, brass, and dies. Federal and CCI offerings are most popular. This is by far my favorite gun to shoot now. You are using an out of date browser. Thats some great information, i figure my barrel will be lucky to make it to 1000rds, 800-1000 seems to be a trend, Im running test with the 4831sc this weekend, and I think I low balled myself compared to those loads you posted, we will see, once again thanks for contributing, this really is one bad ass round. Made to order we strive for a 2-3 week turn time when blanks are on hand (please email/call for current availability), we get Bartlein blanks weekly so lead times do vary. The reason for this is to generate the highest muzzle velocities, and lowest Standard Deviation of velocity. My Rifle isnt Shooting Right: What to do? BAck in the 70s we used to shoot 85gr Sierra hollow point boat tail bullets in our 6mm Rems. A barrels life expectancy is caliber dependant, and may range anywhere from 1000 rounds to 6000 rounds or more. Just as they were done, Loki, disguised as a fly, bit Sindri on the elbow causing all 6.5 barrels forged to wear out at 4000 rounds but be extremely accurate Not trying to start a war on the very interesting .22 thread. At really long ranges, the 6.5 Creedmoor is less affected by wind, making it less critical of wind calls. I just decided to build a 22-250. This also creates a different beast altogether, including higher maximum pressures (based on SAMMI 6mm CM numbers). Nobody routinely uses a 45-70 or a 30-30 where they anticipate regular shots at over 100-150 yards; stupid comparison. I've done extensive testing with several of the latest batches of headstamped 22 Creedmoor brass. Even when using the venerable mainstay 52gr SMK at 4100fps from the 22-243, it was not uncommon to have squarely hit coyotes get knocked down and then run off to die 150yds later. I tried to find an email for Mr. Cramblit with no luck. That's five shots. Survival Gear . It has wide forgiving sweetspots, which makes it inherently accurate even for the most novice reloaders, and the velocity combined with the ballistic coefficients of the .224 bullets in 75, 80, 88 and 90gr are so good, that wind does not bother it as much as even larger calibers. I ran the numbers on the 45-70 I carried to Africa last year. bullets and fast twist rifling, usually 1:8 or even 1:7.5. Many readers misinterpret our article on barrel life; assuming that were estimating the exact number of rounds until a shot-out barrel. -Craddock Precision, That this Barrel is Custom Made to Order, If the Blank is in stock it will get turned soon, 6-8 month lead times are to be expected, if Blanks are not in, we then strive to ship your Barrel as soon as we can! Thanks for the half baked artical. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. The old deer hunting go-to 30-30 caliber 150 grn bullet drops below the 800 ft-lb mark at about 225 yards. I am having the action trued up and will be bedding it into either a Savage laminate stock or an H-S Precision composite stock. You can also use Lemi Shine ultrasonic brass cleaners. My memories of my military time make me smile.. 168 SMKs dont have only 410 ft-lbs of muzzle energy at 500 yards. Do you think 45gr of R26 would be a good starting point? I intend to use 83 gr Hammer or 75 gr Swift bullets. So, the 22-250 would have slightly better life than 243, but close enough to not be a deciding factor at all, the 6.5 Creedmoor will have MUCH better life than these 2. It would be nice if you could just stick to the facts instead of trying to inflate performance by straight up lying about 308. a 168gr 308 at 500yards, is over 1100ft/lbs, did you get your data from Wikipedia? This puts it in the .243 Winchester class for punch. Now we have Alpha Munitions producing factory 22 Creedmoor brass, and the stage is set for a complete takeover of the big 22cal scene. This left the straight neck-down of the rather vanilla 22-243win the most appealing option for those wanting more 22calperformance than a straight 22-250 would offer. And, if you shoot an AR platform, a Blaser R8, or Sauer 202, you can swap out barrels on your own in seconds. I must say I was impressed that it was still sufficiently accurate for its purpose. but part of the reason is because I could only get a head on shot to the chest. Our Small Frame .22 Creedmoor is a bit lighter than our F4-15 EBR chambered in .224 Valkyrie. The notable difference is .22 CM rifles are normally equipped with faster rifling twists to stabilize heavier, higher BC bullets. For what this is worth, my load above shoots great with Hornady brass but as with most tinkers I wanted to try some loads using small rifle primers. Proof was posted where McWorther custom rifles having already built and chambered on in 2012, so your reamer records were checked incorrectly.
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