Also, the whole thing about Daughters of Perdition. Matt. Polygamy with tons more men than women sounds ill-thought out. This is in contrast to the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, who will receive a kingdom of glory after the Final Judgment, and enter into one of three degrees of glory after the resurrection: celestial, terrestrial, or telestial kingdoms. New Testament [ edit] (Conference Reports, October 1958, p. 21. Banishment from the presence of God. Therefore repent ye, repent ye, lest by knowing these things and not doing them ye shall suffer yourselves to come under condemnation, and ye are brought down unto this second death (Hel. Publishing, 19871989), 4:227228. Alma 40. He wrote. It also adds insight that, when blended with other essential doctrines, offers a more complete understanding of the plan of salvation. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Ibid.). In Christianity, the "exterior darkness" or outer darkness is a place referred to three times in the Gospel of Matthew (8:12, 22:13, and 25:30) into which a person may be "cast out", and where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth". To qualify, a person would not only have to leave the Mormon church but also vehemently speak against it. It doesnt matter because I never joined. Banishment from the glory of God. Sorry ladies, you cant actually apostatize from the church, I guess (Someone tell Kate Kelly her excommunication is not valid!). hell.. About 74 B.C. However, Lucifer did not know all the purposes of the Father as we learn from the Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:6. Following this introduction will be a discussion of the usage of these termsfirst in the New Testament, then in the Book of Mormon. For example: everlasting fire (Matt. 12:22; Morm. Any person who inherits one of the . [4] Augustine, The City of God, trans. 3. Those who have never received the light are not to become Sons of Perdition. The LDS version of the King James Bible and the Book of Mormon help us to understand that the word black is actually a Hebrew idiom, meaning gloomy, dejected, or spiritual darkness, and has nothing to do with skin tone. So only a prophet can put the matter to rest well, thats nice that Brigham said there were no women, Joseph F. said there were no women, but Wilford Woodruff said there was no debate and there must be women. . For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. Nephis commentary to his brothers concerning his fathers dream of the tree of life adds interesting insight into the possible meaning of the great gulf Jesus referred to: And I said unto them that it was an awful gulf, which separated the wicked from the tree of life, and also from the saints of God. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. For those born in this life, the person must be a former member who knew Mormonism was true but still rebelled and went against the truth while still knowing it was true. 15:29, 35; Alma 19:29; 54:7), sleep of hell (2 Ne. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. St. Augustine wrote: Hell, which also is called a lake of fire and brimstone, will be material fire, and will torment the bodies of the damned, whether men or devilsthe solid bodies of the one, aerial bodies of the others; or if only men have bodies as well as souls, yet the evil spirits, though without bodies, shall be so connected with the bodily fires as to receive pain without imparting life. Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming. With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. It is the closest Mormon analogy to the concept of hell in most other Christian traditions. Tenth President Joseph Fielding Smitha general authority who spoke more about this issue than any other leaderstated. Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are "sons of perdition." According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that "where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth" (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). In Mormonism, it depends. While this is true, please define Mormon Doctrine before saying I did not quote Mormon Doctrine. In this state of torment Alma remembered his fathers teachings about Jesus Christ and his redemptive mission. ; Mormon Temple Worship. And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls. How impossible would it be for a former Mormon (with full knowledge, even!) The question is, what exactly does full knowledge entail? 11:3940; 18:13), pains of hell (Jacob 3:1112; Alma 14:6; 26:13; 36:13), chains of hell (Alma 5:7, 910; 12:11; 13:30; 26:14), child of hell (Alma 11:23; 54:11), powers of hell (Alma 48:17), everlasting hell (Hel. It is true that the only mortals who had once been members are eligible to become sons of perdition, a fact that may worry some former Mormons who wonder if they might be destined for outer darkness. I wonder if the language is tripping people up here. (-Joseph Smith in the King Follett Discourse), There is my definition I used in my previous post. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism). Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation). As used in the New Testament, hell is an English word which is translated from two Greek words: hades (used ten times) and geenna (twelve times). Therefore, they have drunk out of the cup of the wrath of God, which justice could no more deny unto them than it could deny that Adam should fall because of his partaking of the forbidden fruit; therefore, mercy could have claim on them no more forever. 15:2830). Clear as mud. 14:18.) 8:17), and endless hell (Moro. Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment (2 Ne. 67, LDS Church Archives. Thank you! [1], Other views include those of Zane C. Hodges who controversially suggested that it represents a place for those who make it to heaven based on their faith, but have failed to perform good works during their time on the earth.[2]. The Bible teaches that there is a devil and a hell, but the place of hell in the plan of salvation is taught best by the Book of Mormon. Possibly but there is no citation there either. One example would not be human since they were cast out of heaven with Satan before they could receive a body. . Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? We believe that after the final judgment there are four places to which a person may be sent. Samuel also confirms the relationship John spoke of between the second death and the wicked being cast into fire, but he adds this explanatory clause: For they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness.. So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. . The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. Just one sin. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Why Practically NobodyIncluding You, Former MormonWill Ever End up In Outer Darkness, Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). 20:1314). D&C 133:73 says, These shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Humans who never heard about Mormonism will not go there, as tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith said, That is a punishment that will not come to those who have never known the truth. A representation of the tree degrees of glory and outer darkness. In the D&C, the definition of those who go to Outer Darkness is stated as: the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows; Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again; Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation (D&C 76:45-48). There are two categories for those who should be considered sons of perdition. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. Additionally it provides helpful commentary on New Testament passages concerning hell. Both Luther, who taught soul sleep till the resurrection of the dead, and Calvin, who taught the immortal soul, considered the "outer darkness" references in Matthew to refer to the last judgment. But wait! Unless someone has rejected love, like the Nephites, I believe there is still hope that they will repent. Youll never regret it. 13:42), the fire that never shall be quenched (Mark 9:45), where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:48), and cast into the fire (Luke 3:9). 9:1012, 1516). Women or not. Whats interesting is that there are many former Mormons who still believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and have a testimony of the Spirit of the Lord. However, their faith no longer is in the Jesus of Mormonism but the Jesus of the Bible. If their Prophet wrote in a journal, or said to someone in passing, or gave a talk a local school saying that, Eating toast without butter is a sin worthy of hell! that does not make it a Mormon Doctrine. You are taking quotes that are not Mormon Doctrine. While John could be referring to the sons of perdition in this passage, the specific sins he identified are characteristic of those who will suffer in hell but, after experiencing their part in the lake of fire, will be released from their torment and be resurrected to a telestial glory (see D&C 76:10312). 20:14). The city of Capernaum was upbraided for its lack of faith in view of the miracles Jesus performed there. As with anything in Mormon doctrine, theres a lot of confusion, contradictory information and just all around ignoring a topic that should be as simple as asking a question and getting an answer. In harmony with this doctrinal truth that death and hell will deliver up the spirits and bodies of their captives, King David received the promise that his soul would not be left in hell (see Ps. 22:13-14, D-R.). This is the final destination of Satan himself. Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation ). 2:11). So, if you are directly listing to Satan, like Cain, and actively turning away from God, like Cain, then you can become a Son of Perdition. The Book of Mormon provides another testament concerning the existence of hell, and explains how one can escape the chains of hell in this life, and an everlasting hell in the next life, through application of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. So, in the Mormon view, none of these so-called polygamist marriages are valid, religiously or legally. The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. Also God says no one knows in scripture, so stop asking; but He also said in scripture that He upbraideth not those who have questions and if you ask it shall be opened unto you. Thus the Book of Mormon does seem to contain a reference to the degrees of glory and outer darkness. Outer darkness is not a kingdom of glory. 25:30). The term "outer darkness" refers to the place to where Satan will be banished. According to the Doctrine and Covenants, this will be a place that even in outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). Dennis L. Largey was an associate professor of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University when this was published. Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). Consistently, hell is associated with fire. A) Never had a body B) Did evil things in this world C) Never joined the LDS Church D) All of the above are true. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27. 21:8). John identified specific sins that would lead to the lake of fire and brimstone: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death (Rev. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The. The first example would be spirits from the preexistence who sided with Lucifer rather than Jesus at the Council in Heavenwhere it was decided who would become the Savior of the World. Also, Mormons believe in three Heavens. The Book of Mormon presents several significant insights concerning the lake of fire and brimstone of which John spoke. Mormons believe that only a Son of Perdition will go to Outer Darkness, their version of most Christian religions understanding of Hell. As explained in D&C 88:11-13: In my last post, I claimed that I might be a candidate for outer darkness. They did what they did with their eyes open, and were in rebellion against God. Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 358). And thats why men alone get, I mean need the priesthood. Later in the same discourse Alma blended the doctrines of the Fall, agency, and the second death together as an admonition to keep the commandments of God (see Alma 12:3137). But what is light? Clearly you dont know what is and is not doctrine, and are trying to throw shade. In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. Smith described these spirits who were the first to display rebellious ways: Lucifer became perdition by rebellion. For example, Alma the Younger was delivered from the intensity of his hellish pain when he cried to the Lord for mercy. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. Ray L. Huntington and Terry B. The phrase first occurs in Jesus' comment concerning the faith of the Centurion of Capernaum: And I say to thee that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven: But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. A person would have to be very wicked to know the church was true yet still fight against it! 9:16; emphasis added). Through his Atonement, Resurrection, and ministry in the spirit world, Christ provided a bridge by which repentant souls could cross the gulf from hell to spiritual freedom. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. However, I think the breakdown I have above is accurate because outer darkest is a place of permanence for the filthy. The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars (D&C 76:70 . In this realm, as the name implies, there will be no light, and consequently no heat. Christ brings to pass the resurrection of all menThe righteous dead go to paradise and the wicked to outer darkness to await the day of their resurrectionAll things will be restored to their proper and perfect frame in the Resurrection. The Book of Mormon teaches that after death, the spirits of those who "chose evil works rather than good" in mortality will be "cast out . 1:18). In Mormonism, it depends. Can someone get out of this state of Perdition once they are in it? spirit prison. Well thats wrapped up as long as no other prophets said oh. Plagiarism and The Globe a comparative analysis, The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism), https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf, https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, LDS Church and Same Sex Marriage Timeline, The Pump LDS film and the original source, Ethan Smith, Hyrum Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Solomon Spaulding connections. 4. A Vision, Times and Seasons 4 (1 Feb 1843) 6:82-5. Here is one more thing to think about: I work full time with a Christian ministry aimed at converting Mormons. (see Rom. Cain is a Son of Perdition. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Thank you! The kingdom that is not a kingdom of glory is called outer darkness. A church manual reports, To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. Jesus marvelled at the faith of a centurion he met in Capernaum and proclaimed that many would come from the east and west, and [would] sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 3:12), the tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. The Book of Mormon discusses with great clarity the ultimate punishment reserved exclusively for the sons of perdition, or those who are filthy still (2 Ne. Mormons also believe that those on Earth with bodies can become a Son of Perdition, tho this is difficult to do. Into the telestial kingdom will go, according to that which is written here in this revelation, the vicious, the unclean, the ungodly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27). They have wilfully (sic) made themselves servants of Satan and servants to him shall they remain forever. Additional doctrinal truth concerning the great gulf can be found in the Doctrine and Covenants (see D&C 138:1837). Johns announcement of death and hell releasing their dead for judgment is augmented by the Book of Mormon prophet Jacob, who taught the same doctrine but provided significantly more detail. Who of the following is NOT eligible for Outer Darkness. In each New Testament passage that speaks of hell (the word hades is neutralneither a place of punishment nor reward but the place of departed spirits) the context associates it with suffering and punishment. Jesus of Mormonism but the Jesus of the Bible. In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. Over the 30 years in Christian ministry, I have met many former Mormons who once believed in Mormonism, but none has ever confessed that they still believe Mormonism to be true. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? This is the second death. That ought to bring a sigh of relief to many who are reading this article! Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). (To see the differences between the three kingdoms of glory, click here.) Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List, You continue to fight against the true church, Those spirits who rebelled against God in the preexistence are the original sons of perdition. However, based on the teaching of church leaders, I believe it is utterly impossible for any mortal to become this despised son of perdition. What do Mormons believe happened in the pre-existence? Okay so clearly we have billions of souls who qualify as perdition and go to outer darkness according to one prophet in his personal books and not officially speaking as a prophet. Banishment from all progress. From its beginnings, it taught that very few people would go to "outer darkness" the Mormon concept of hell. (2) We believe in allowing our candles to burn for a maximum of four hours at a time. lucifer. He also saw a pale horse with a rider whose name was Death, and Hell followed with him (Rev. So we can clearly state no women are Sons of Perdition in outer darkness. In each of the New Testament references to outer darkness, Christ declared the punishment that awaits faithless and wicked people. Return to the Crash Course Mormonism Index. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition ( Doctrines of Salvation 2:220 ). And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. Even if I did, I still am not eligible for outer darkness. In Christianity, it is understood that anyone who denies the holy spirit goes to outer darkness, but they see it as a synonym for Hell. The Sons of Perdition are those who have lived as mortal men and women on the earth, have had the heavens opened to them and received a certain knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, and then have rejected the Savior, "having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:34-35; see also Doctrine and Covenants 76:3133, 3637). Grant Building This website is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon or LDS Church). They are the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. These pains are similar to the state of suffering experienced by the ungodly who after mortality are assigned to hell. Many of the apostates of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We probably do not want to know how horrible it is just like in this life, some things that are so horrible that happen (especially to children) wed rather not know about it, if possible.
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