20. Yes, see my answer to your first question. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. This is the first and great commandment. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. 7. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. 5. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. Independent Fundamental Churches of America Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. I must put it in Jesus Christ. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. What sorrow awaits you! He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. 49. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. No, because thats not Gods will. That apparently is what Christ would do. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). No member shall We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. XII. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. Its insidious and extremely toxic. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). 9. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). N/A We ARE the church my friend! The bitterness argument has been answered many times. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. For example, #54. hypocrite. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. I forgave him before he changed. We told to get married. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. The membership Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. . Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 46. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. 48. Its NOT ABOUT US! I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. 5 Everything they do is for show. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. 1 John 1:9 Independent Baptists (a.k.a. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). 41. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. 42. Romans 5:8 Im not responsible for how its perceived. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 I was sincerely disappointed. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. We had no money.. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. The members were so sweet to us. insidious I like that word. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). Independent Fundamental Baptist Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? Im still separate I have just decided to sin. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. 2. 5. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. 2. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of 38. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. What a stupid thing to say. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. Others are very much unfair criticism. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. Its the inspired word of God. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. 32. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. 33. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Did you read it? I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. N/A In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: This is an assumption.. 13. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. That makes no sense. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. There isn't much out there on the web. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. I had my part. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Thank God for grace! Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. Heartland Baptist Bible College I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. Baptist If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. So spontaneous but like it was planned. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. Apart from Him we can do nothing. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. I dont know what Daves intentions were. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. God forgave because Jesus saved. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Gospel Furthering Fellowship Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. I thought youd like that. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. People can ask for clarification if they want. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5.
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